No monsters but people. Horrors just do what they must to survive. It isn’t anything personal like those monsters.

Chess?! You could beat him at marbles he ain’t got none.

Most maga nuts are protestant.

*Anti-christ

He’s already been claiming he would for the last 15. It was too little to late back then. He either needs to get busy with it or shut up about it.

It’s an ideology. The problem with it, is that like any ideology. Many turn it into their identity. And if you attack or even dismiss the ideology, it is as if you’ve done it to them personally.

That said there’s more clear evidence for atheism than there is for any other theist belief. But it does get tiresome to combat against constant fantastic and unprovable claims.

You. I like your optimism. But I don’t share your experience apparently. A lot of people don’t. About the best I tend to get from a lot of them after I start asking a lot of questions that poke holes in their beliefs. Is silence.

Never once have they admitted that they could be wrong or that there’s a chance I might be right. And as soon as they go back to spend time with their cult. The next time I see them it’s like it never even happened. They’re it back to insisting the same absurd positions. Because they never actually acknowledged or considered that they could be wrong.

It’s not even limited to or that unique to right Wingers. Plenty of gaza activists still to this day refused to admit that the hyperfocus on Biden and Harris was a mistake. Or that by doing that they may have helped Trump win. The field was so flooded with Hyper focused partisan propaganda. That many Palestinian Americans honestly somehow thought Trump would be better and voted for him. But as is basic human nature it’s never their fault. It’s always someone else that shit their pants.

Those upset that they are being hurt when it was supposed to be everyone else. Are no ally. Saying it was wrong to seek harm to others is very different than saying “I wasn’t supposed to be hurt”. They can be useful, but they don’t have remorse.

Yup

Always words to live by

Everyone makes mistakes, those that can admit it are rare. Those that can forgive rarer still. And both should be role models.

The only correct definition for sure. At this point if anyone says someone played their trump card. The only appropriate response is “They shit themselves!?”

Why does it matter if its RFK stupidity or outright eugenics. Both are wrong.

Autistic people have always existed. Throughout history. Not just since we started diagnosing it. There’s no evidence that it’s preventable or even bad generally. Scientists really don’t know all the causes, and there’s no evidence that anything is preventable. Bullshit like this is what keeps people like me from getting officially diagnosed. There is no justification.

Correct. The cruelty IS the point.

100%. I know that as someone who is somewhat on the spectrum. People sometimes misunderstand or take offense to the way I choose to phrase things. It was never my intent to imply that we shouldn’t criticize Biden or Harris. Simply that the hyper focus on them would be to our detriment as it was. That many people’s honest and sincere intent to help people was hijacked, as it was. Used to get the worst possible person in office.

The fact that anyone. Not just Palestinians thought that voting for Trump was somehow better than voting for Harris or Biden speaks to a complete and utter failure of messaging. I’d like to think that we would do better in the future. But seeing how we did dukakis, gore, kerry and so many others dirty with our inability to focus or message. I really don’t think it’s going to change. And that if we’re lucky enough to have an election in 2028. That we are going to struggle as hard as ever to keep the fascists out. Regardless of all the damage they’re going to do. But now is definitely the time to start planning and building for it.

That was literally the comment I came here to post.

We’d get an informed public if people had enough time, material security, and agency to get involved in politics.

They are supposed to answer to us. Therefore it is our failing that they do not. We cannot expect them to give that sort of Education without fighting for it. And unironically they didn’t.

This is infuriating.

I agree. But it is also reality. When Fox news coverage of your protests is largely sterile and neutral. You know you’ve just fucked up. You should immediately start asking yourself what are you missing here. What do you do to adjust. Which most activists couldn’t do. I mean I have no idea if they all honestly thought that somehow Fox News and all these fascist media Outlets echoing their claims were on their side. That they weren’t the Romney to the fascist Obama this time. Please proceed governor, own yourself. Romney is a skeezy little cultish snake. But he wasn’t strictly wrong. Though that didn’t save him. Even if it worked in our favor that one time.

Don’t make assumptions: I was not an activist in Michigan. I didn’t tell anyone not to vote for Biden/Harris

If you helped to amplify the one-sided accusations. You share a part in it. It doesn’t matter if you’re in Michigan or not. It doesn’t matter if you were in a red state, or a blue state. If you didn’t then don’t get upset about people pointing out that people who did are responsible.

In my 50 years on this planet. Those of us who are not fascist have owned ourselves repeatedly over nonsensical Purity tests. Especially when it didn’t matter. Such as this last election. This will just be another one for the list in the history books. If they allow us to keep history books too much longer.

First, it is the job of the political party to convince the voters to vote for them.

It’s also the publics job to be informed.

But even then, [we don’t actually know if the outcome for Gaza would be any different under Harris

Even if it was identical under harris. It was still better under biden. He wasn’t actively cheering the genocide on etc. And at least gave some appearance of trying to support relief and peace. Trump can’t even.

I don’t think it took much of a “masterful play” or much influence at all for the Palestinian and middle eastern origin populations in Michigan to demobilize or protest vote. They had been watching intense and horrific destruction of their families and place of origin for more than a year at that point and they watched Biden, with Harris as VP, transfer weapons and funding to Israel while [reiterating their support for Israel and weakly “warning” them about going too far

That was our entire government. Not Biden and Harris. Focusing solely on them in the face of nothing but worse alternatives. Was an extremely bonehead move. The fact even with hindsight and in the face of this glaring failure. People like yourself still cling to it with a sunk cost mentality. Shows just how masterful the manipulation was. That you feel no responsibility or remorse. For helping to Usher fascism in. Yes the Democrats did plenty on their own for that as well. But the fact that to a person. I can’t find a single one of you who is heavily activist against Biden and Harris that can even admit the flaws of that plan. Or acknowledge that there are sincere and honest desire to do good was manipulated for the worst.

It’s extremely dishonest to have framed it as a choice in the election. Yet, here we are with fascism. I would have loved for ending genocide to have been on the ballot. It wasn’t. Never was. But making it worse was. And we got it.

You can’t attribute it to any one thing. They absolutely contributed. If Democrats lost by double digit percentage. I’d say they didn’t contribute that much. Trump won by just a few percentage overall. The activists were clutch in fascisms victory.

On the surface, I get it. Biden and Harris were “optically in charge”. Just not really in charge when it comes to Israel. Congress is. It’s capture by Israel is pervasive and systemic. Changing out the president was never going to make it better.

Worse yet, Republicans have a super power. They get to be lawless while Democrats must be perfect. And in that way Republicans hypocritically weaponized and stirred the pot along with foreign actors. For something they were just as guilty of. This systemic problem was placed solely on the shoulders of the president. And not just by the activists. But by the wealthy owners of mass media looking for another tax cut to horde more wealth. Donald trump telling Bibi to ramp up the genocide went so minimally covered that many Palestinian citizens voted for him. Thinking he was better. The activists were played and manipulated masterfully. And all it took was Consolidated ownership of the media. Propaganda Works folks.

Never too early.