Well, sure. But none of them would be enough pressure to change the US direction. Also, China already basically used all of them.

Rare earth being the most famous one. But much like sanctions on Russia this will always be leaky.

Trade with nations on USA’s hit list. Russia being the best example. But China already does trade with them. They’d have to start to break EU and UN sanctions to do more, and while upsetting USA would be nice, they don’t want to create a tear with Europe.

Stopping Chinese students from going to the US. This would be a longer play, but forcing a reverse brain drain would benefit China to US detriment. However, Trump is already doing this for free.

Creating actual alliances, if this were to happen it would put USA on the back foot as they’d have many nations they would suddenly have to contend with. However, this goes against China’s very ethos. China believes alliances are problematic and creates divisions in the world. This is why China has no allies. And to China’s point, look at what Trump just did to his allies.

I could go on. Other options are too weak to make a dent or Trump is already giving it to China for free. It’s hard to make an effective move when your opponent is throwing golden opportunities at you. To be honest, China mostly just wants everything to play out and see where the pieces lay.

China absolutely has the power over the US to make the US feel pain. The problem is any use of that power would make China feel just as much pain. It would be self-immolation. The three main things China can do are.

Cut all exports. Ironically, Trump did that to himself so that’s why Trump capitulated.

Sell all US assets. Not just bonds. Of course this would absolutely destroy China’s economy, so a no go.

Nuclear war. But this is the end of humanity, so also a no go.

So China has the power, but would need to basically be willing to end life as we know it, or do what Trump did to himself. Again, ironically that was the one thing that didn’t involve total annihilation and Trump willingly committed seppuku. So weird.

So that’s the dumbest thing Trump is doing. Deporting low income workers when he’s trying to bring low income work back to America. It’s literally the opposite of what you would want to do. Yet here we are. The stupidity I feel is the most stunning thing about all this. I knew Trump was insane, but completely idiotic was not something I thought was part of the deal.

China’s not negotiating. This is the best result for China. As long as USA is going to continually be belligerent with tariffs to all nations, China actually would not benefit with preferential treatment.

China wants to let the tariffs slowly but persistently eat away at USA’s economy. 30% is just about right as Mexico and Canada are at 25%. China doesn’t need to be the cheapest, just affordable enough that Americans will still buy. So while trade will decrease it won’t stop. This gives China the breathing room they need to build up supply chains everywhere else. All the while Americans will afford less and less as tariffs eat away at their income. This will lead to less business creation activity and destroy manufacturing as the manufacturing inputs being tariffed makes USA products unaffordable.

If this looks like China is capitulating, all the better. Though most people realize it’s Trump that blinked. Since their counter actions aren’t really tariffs to begin with. China can order their companies who they buy from and more importantly who they don’t.

You mean a product that has no shipping costs can be replicated infinitely for free and maintains high paying jobs is worth more than sweat shop factories? Say it ain’t so. Obviously we want to give up on YouTube and MS office etc… So we can put tiny screws into iPhones.

Why? I can tell you now that the Chinese delegation will essentially say nothing and simply report publically what the US is asking for. Something that other nations haven’t done yet to allow USA to save face. This isn’t something that China would be willing to do. China has no demands yet, nor any desire to end the trade war. What they do have a desire for is to make everything USA is trying to steal public knowledge.

It’s worse than that. Sure China is huge, but the entire world is boycotting US goods. It’s far far worse than what your pointing out. But we’ll, maybe this is a good thing. Fuck USA.

In a normal situation, no. But thanks to Czar Trump, USA has disassociated itself with its allies who used to help foot the bill with military purchases. This coupled with the idiotic trade war, the US might actually run out of money now. What was inconceivable just a month ago, maybe something we get to celebrate in the near future.

I mean I hate to say this, but the world looks like it might turn in a horrifying way that would make your argument completely null. All Trump has to do is say I got a great deal with China, we’re going to let them take Taiwan and sell Russian weapons. They’ve agreed to buy our bonds with the Russian war payments to fund our economy, best deal ever.

Now suddenly it’s completely and utterly hopeless. Just a few months ago I would have assumed this to be impossible. But today…

This is what people are missing. China already built up their logistics in Vietnam and Mexico most famously. This is transhipment. Every since Trump term one, they have been planning this day.

So while your right, in normal conditions it should be impossible. In our reality it’s what’s already happening. Just wait till we get “Spanish” cars. This was always the plan.

And thus the cycle starts to repeat. It seems an eternal problem that people can’t separate individuals and their leaders, which always ends up one side violently killing the other for the actions of the few.

Zionists do not represent all Jews, this needs repeating.

Your right. It could be both. I mean, my wife said to me the other day that she heard Trump was doing the tariffs to lower the bond interest rates. I said while in some types of recessions that’s true, that wouldn’t work in this case and you’d have to be an idiot to think it would. Sure enough the next day Trump puts a stay on tariffs to most of the world because the bond market got rocked. All I could think of is omg, are they really that fucking stupid?

I wish it was that. No, this is actual evil, not incompetence. Trump has turned the US economy into the largest pump and dump scheme ever. Worse, he’s bragging about how his friends made billions. I can’t even believe this is happening. I’m in utter shock. I knew Trump would be bad, but straight up flaunting corruption like it’s a joke and even bringing the SCOTUS on board with this. I’m just gob smacked.

You don’t understand. Chinese companies have been preparing for this for almost a decade now thanks to US policies. Here’s manufacturing locations just for Moto.

https://motosmartphones.com/where-are-motorola-phones-made/

How much is it really made in Brazil? Enough to by pass the tariffs.

This is transhipment. China has been building an enormous transhipment network with those countries heavily dependent on Chinese heavy machinery and services. They expected this, they prepared for this. It’s the US companies that tried to obey their own countries rules that are susceptible. Even Samsung has been working with China to create these networks. Soon, I would estimate, Apple will as well. The problem is, if you thought Tik Tok was a national security issue, forcing every US company to use Chinese logistics to fight your own countries tariffs…

I’m Taiwanese, I know much better what the Taiwanese want than you do. Go through these posts if you want to know my opinion, as well as you’ll see my passport.

As to the other stuff, bullets were not fired at India. They don’t even patrol with guns. Please read the news before making stuff up.

I’m Taiwanese, if you look through my comment history you’ll see I showed my passport. We want the status quo. We do not want to protest or fight for independence. I’m making these posts as a Taiwanese person because I’m tired of foreigners who never have been to Taiwan or at most a vacation trying to tell me and my people how we should think.

As to the other stuff, I don’t have an opinion one way or the other. It’s too complicated and each one deserves it’s own complex analysis. I will however point you to Johnny Harris. I believe he gives a fairly unbiased opinion on all of this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9IiZkMKi68

If you’re not just trolling and being anti-China I highly recommend giving it a view.

I mean China sells to both sides. They don’t really give aid in the traditional way. It’s just about money. But yeah, it’s pretty messed up just in a completely different way than what the west does.

And I agree with your ideals, but sadly that’s definitely not happening in our lifetimes.

I mean China has stated over and over and responded over and over in a way that states China would not willingly become a dominant force. China’s whole thing is they only care about their country and their people and what ever happens in the world it’s not their business.

But here’s some historical examples for what I’m talking about.

1. Ukraine Russian war. Yes, China sells drone parts and machinery to Russia. That’s constantly talked about as if this is absolute proof that China is supporting Russia’s war against Ukraine. However, Ukraine is just as dependent on these parts and machinery as Russia is. So by that logic, China is supporting Ukraine in the war.

2. Myanmar. Is currently in a massive civil war. Myanmar is completely under China’s sphere of influence to the point where no external actor is willing to interfere. Yet China is willing to just let the people do whatever they feel is right. Even though it’s literally causing a genocide in the nation.

3. Sudan. Basically the same as Myanmar. Though an interesting side story to this is Sudan had Chinese tanks that South Sudan did not. Those tanks absolutely crushed the T-72 tanks that South Sudan has. Though that kind of went sideways because South Sudan simply avoided the tanks and attacked in other areas. But if anyone is wondering, yes China’s military equipment far out paces Russia.

4. Vietnam. After the Sino-Vietnam war, China controlled about 20% of Vietnam. They declared victory and then told the Vietnam government that they respect their sovereignty and just simply left. It was the last war that China ever committed itself to.

Ultimately, China’s whole rise to power is one of completely unwillingness to get involved in anything. It’s one of the reasons no one respects China as a super power. However, with USA doing what it’s doing, it by default goes to China. I don’t know what it means ultimately, but at least for the near future, China is going to allow insane genocide in so much of the world. Something that USA would have gone to war over. They won’t be dominant, but are you sure that’s what you want?

Well the weirdest thing to me is I am saying China becoming the world’s super power will lead to genocide. Not caused by China itself, but by China’s inactions. And my proof is historical from Sudan and Myanmar. Yet people are calling me a pro-China shill? It’s odd at best.

You know, I’m confused what people are disagreeing with. I’ve only stated facts.

Sudan and Myanmar are completely under China’s sphere of influence. They are both in the middle of a civil war. China has done nothing and supplied both sides.

Taiwan has consistently stated they want the status quo. Congress is heavily in favor of that. So much so they made a law to handcuff the president from declaring.

China has repeatedly stated they believe Taiwan will aquiesce peacefully and will only invade if Taiwan unilaterally declares independence.

Thus, in a situation where China is the sole hegemony, China knows they are right about Taiwan and will simply wait out Taiwan. If the world is under Chinese sphere of influence we’ll see a massive uptick in civil wars.