There is a problem with a lot of the people that practice polygamy in an unethical way
That is what the person you responded to said. There is a problem with the cultural of polygamy here because it’s done in an unethical way.
but not polygamy itself.
That is also what the person you replied to said. They clarified specifically that if both genders are free to practice polygamy in the same way there’s no issue.
if I were there would be proof that’s why your example is a false equivalence.
Not necessarily. This is lemmy, you’re on a completely anonymous account. I wouldn’t expect to have any proof.
Maybe you just didn’t get caught yet.
If the Christian God exists, for example, there would be no way of knowing for certain
I was willing to grant you the philosophical God argument, but if you want to evoke the Christian God you’re now making a whole bunch of positive claims.
Why don’t we look at the evolutionary record and see whether all of humanity comes from Adam and Eve or if animals evolved from a common ancestor?
We can look for evidence of a flood, or an exodus and see there is none.
We can track the history of Yahweh, and how he was syncretized with El and Baal from Caananite faiths, and morphed over centuries from a local Storm/war God to the only God.
The early Israelites engaged in polytheistic practices that were common across ancient Semitic religion, because the Israelite religion was a derivative of the Canaanite religion and included a variety of deities from it, including El, Asherah, and Baal. Initially a lesser deity among the Cannanite pantheon, Yahweh in later centuries became conflated with El; Yahweh took on El’s place as head of the pantheon of the Israelite religion, El’s consort Asherah, and El-linked epithets, such as ʾĒl Šadday (אֵל שַׁדַּי), came to be applied to Yahweh alone. Characteristics of other deities, such as Asherah and Baal, were also selectively absorbed in conceptions of Yahweh.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahweh
We can compare the contradictions between the behavior of the Old Testament God and Jesus to conclude like early Christians such as Marcion of Sinope Yahweh and Christianity are incompatible
Study of the Hebrew Bible, along with received writings circulating in the nascent Church, led Marcion to conclude that many of the teachings of Jesus were incompatible with the actions of Yahweh, characterized as the belligerent god of the Hebrew Bible. Marcion responded by developing a ditheistic system of belief around the year 144.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcion_of_Sinope
We can compare the Gospels and see where they copied stories from the Iliad/Odyssey.
Odyssey Location Mark Location
Athena descends like a bird 1.319-324 Spirit descends like a dove 2:1-2 Sailors volunteer to follow Athena 2.383-413 Fishermen volunteer to follow Jesus 1:16-20 Nestor’s feast for 4500 men 3.1-68 Jesus’s feast for 5000 men 6:30-44 Menelaus’s wedding feast 4.1-67 Jesus’s feast for 4000 8:1-9 Odysseus enters city behind mules 6.252-261 Jesus enters city on an ass 11:1-11 Alcinous’s prolific figs trees 7.112-121 Jesus curses unprolific fig tree 11:12-14 Blind Demodocus among sailors 8.471-473 Blind man at “House-of-fisherman” 8:22-26 Lotus-eating, forgetful comrades 9.62-107 Forgetful disciples at sea 8:19-21 Polyphemus the cave-dweller 9.105-525 Dangerous demoniac from caves 5:1-20 Aeolus’s bag of winds and gale 10.1-55 Jesus calms winds and sea 4:35-41 Cannibals at the harbor 10.76-136 Hostile Pharisees at the harbor 8:10-13 Following a water carrier to dinner 10.100-116 Following a water carrier to dinner 14:12-16 Circe turns soldiers into swine 10.135-465 Jesus sends demons into swine 5:1-20 Odysseus’s last supper before Hades 10.546-561 Jesus’s last super and Gethsemane 14:32-42 Death of young Elpenor 10.546-560 Flight of naked young man 14:43-52 Blind seer Tiresias 11.90-94 Blind seer Bartimaeus 10:46-52 Death of Agamemnon at a feast 11.409-430 Death of the Baptist at a feast 6:14-29 Burial of Elpenor at dawn 12.1-5 Young man at tomb at dawn 16:1-4 Eurylochus’s vow 12.298-305 Peter’s vow 14:26-31 Eurylochus’s broken vow 12.367-396 Peter’s broken vow 14:66-72 Eumaeus’s Phoenician nurse 15.417-491 Syrophoenician woman 7:24-30 Odysseus’s transfiguration 16.172-301 Jesus’s transfiguration 9:2-13 Suitors plot to kill Telemachus 16.383-385 Vinedressers kill the beloved son 12:1-12 Conspiracy to kill Telemachus 17.182-213 Conspiracy to kill Jesus 14:10-11 Penelope’s hospitality 17.534-547 Generous widow at temple 12:41-42 Irus the beggar 18.1-94 Barabbas the brigand 15:6-15 Telemachus’s amazement at house 19.35-43 Disciples’ amazement at temple 13:1-2 Penelope’s request for a sign 19.102-271 Disciples’ request for a sign 13:3-8 Prophetic oak at Dodona 19.296-307 Prophetic fig tree 13:28-31 Eurycleia washes her master 19.370-575 Woman anoints Jesus 14:3-9 Eurycleia’s recognition of Odysseus 19.474-486 Peter’s recognition of the Messiah 8:27-30 Odysseus slays suitors in his house 22.17-86 Jesus expels merchants from temple 11:15-19 Contested authority over the house 22.221-233 Contested authority over the temple 11:27-33 Odysseus hacks to death evil slave 22.474-477 Bystander slices off a slave’s ear 14:43-5
https://testimonia.pl/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/MacDonald.Mimesis.pdf
Or also where they contradict each other
If you spend enough time focusing on the truth of this you will eventually conclude you cannot prove your belief like they cannot prove theirs so neither side has anything demonstrable.
I don’t think theist Christians would agree with that though. Quoting Tertullian:
We do not worship your gods, because we know that there are no such beings. This, therefore, is what you should do: you should call on us to demonstrate their non-existence, and thereby prove that they have no claim to adoration; for only if your gods were truly so, would there be any obligation to render divine homage to them. And punishment even were due to Christians, if it were made plain that those to whom they refused all worship were indeed divine. But you say, They are gods. We protest and appeal from yourselves to your knowledge; let that judge us; let that condemn us, if it can deny that all these gods of yours were but men.
https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0301.htm
When it comes to a philosophical creator god I agree with your statement, this view describes agnostic atheism.
The assertion that there is no God cannot be proven as you cannot prove a negative.
Correct, no one argued that.
There assertion that there is a divine entity cannot be logically demonstrated in any valid way logically speaking.
Correct again.
The validity of either claim cannot be tested and thus have the same overall value and it is a matter of which you choose to accept.
Do you really mean that?
If I were to accuse you of something terrible like being a child molester with absolutely zero evidence…
That’s valid? You can deny it, but your denial is of equal value to my accusation right? So if everyone in this comment section chooses to believe you molester children from now on… do you have a problem with that?
The reason I’m an atheist is the same reason I don’t believe you’re a child molester yet. I think there is a burden of proof of evidence that would need to be met before the accusation needs to be taken seriously.
Frogger 2: Swampy’s Revenge was genuinely great though
But hey, who would have figured that Trump wasn’t quite the stable genius successful businessman who wrote The Art of the Deal that he said he was?
To be fair to Trump, if he used a “ghost president” the same way he used a ghost writer he’d likely be a lot more successful.
I’m literally confused as fuck right now. Help explain this in a different way.
I provided evidence for a thing I believe in. You’re accusing me of refusing to believe the thing I showed evidence for?
Then why did you claim I can’t see it?
I refuse to believe that which I’ve seen no evidence for.
So long as it is more convenient to sarcastically quip about how you’re right instead of explaining it, I will struggle to be convinced by your words.
“Uh a 151.197 grammer with cheese.”
Quar ter poun der. Perfect size. Good marketing.
“A ThIRd PoUnDeR pLeASe”. Too much to chew. Bad marketing.
Sorry, but you are suggesting that the best strategy possible to stop the genocide is to be nice to the person committing the genocide
No, I suggested we adopt the best strategy regardless of what it is.
You said that even if the best strategy possible is to be nice, you wouldn’t consider doing do.
Great, I’ll make sure to report you to the mods if your openly admitting to acting in bad faith.
Feel free to do that, if I’ve broken the rules they should remove my comment. I didnt realize this was getting so personal so I will take this as the end of the convo, even across the other threads, just letting you know so you don’t waste time replying to those.
It would only be a compliment if you were trying to capture the flaw in liberalism.
I was.
Again, I appreciate the compliment. Take care.
When my goal is to describe the flaws of liberalism succinctly and you say “You’ve captured the flaw in liberalism extremely succinctly.” I have a hard time taking that as an insult, ngl.
Yes, I’m glad you understand how a discussion works. Presumably you then don’t want people to believe what you say?
Is this how you want the conversation to go? Are we gonna both just play dumb and ask loaded questions back and forth?
Is it?
Yeah? (You called me a Socialist earlier)
Because capitalism has rolled over the top of you none the less.
How exactly did you expect me to have predefeated the system I was born into?
That’s why, even though ‘your guard is up’, you can’t do anything about it; because you’re just a random person with no power
You’re not pointing out anything new to me.
That’s because we communicate using words, we can’t just directly transmit pure concepts to each other. If people can’t understand your labels they can’t understand you concepts.
EXACTLY!!! Yes! Love this.
So not as socialism.
No, as primitive Libertarianism. It’s right there.
I’m sure hoping you don’t think mob rule by bands of genocidal settler colonists is socialism?
You told me my definition of liberalism implies the US wasn’t liberal.
I agreed and quoted a marxist who described the US as primitive Libertarianism.
Now you think I’m saying the US has secretly been socialist this whole time?
Then my comment argues you shouldn’t.
Hey I’m sorry. I just gave your comment an actual read and only the first paragraph I initially read was bad faith patronizing.
In the rest you did bring up points worth responding to so I apologize and I will do that in a bit.
Just keep in mind I may actually have some knowledge in history and just might be able to back up claims I make.
Exactly, thank you great point. Are you starting to agree these aren’t very “liberal” actions so maybe the Republicans and Democrats aren’t so liberal after all?
if you’re just gonna continue to be this childish, then I have nothing else to talk about.
Respectfully, that’s where I tried to leave it 2 comments ago
And since you’re gonna read this, like it or not, your definition of being a liberal has no basis in reality
It’s not about liking or not liking it.
If you’re in a different reality than me, there’s not much we’re going to be able to say. I’d rather spend my energy on people in the same reality
You can cry all you want about how capitalism and liberalism as somehow separate, it won’t change reality.
:'(
Most Republicans also believe in those things
The Republicans are abducting citizens to El Salvadorian death camps…
Dwight D Eisenhower’s farewell address, 1961
There was absolutely money in Ukraine. When you read “billions of dollars in weapons sent”, if Ukraine received the weapons who do you think received the billion dollars?